Mike Defensor’s offensive

So pinagsasama pala ni Mike Defensor ang analyses nina Dickey at Tiongco. Talk about misrepresentation!

Btw, Alecks, ikaw ba yung naka-itim kanina (na may balbas) na hinimok si Mike na bisitahin ang blog na ‘to?

Defensor, he said, should provide a copy of the exact clip submitted to the foreign analyst to the public. “But my guess is he wouldn’t do that because that will be subjected to the same Bunye and Chavit tapes analysis. But if he will do that, we will simply wave “compare” his version with the rest — probably bringing forth a new version called the ‘Defensor Z-tapes’,” he said.

good point.

LCsiao,

I invoke my right against self-incrimination.

so, tuloy na ba ang winner-take-all dare ni defensor?

http://www.malaya.com.ph/jul15/news1.htm

Winner-take-all deal dared on Garci tapes
• If tapes are authentic, Gloria quits, says Mike
• Call, and if otherwise, we quit, says Ping

Even non-experts like us but whose job sometimes include recording and editing sounds using digital equipment would easily recognize doctored and preserved versions of all those tapes. PCIJ has already published expert analyses and all the versions on this blog. Does it mean Mike D. does not visit this blog? He should, para malaman niya ang hinahanap niya at baka sakaling matauhan.

When the history of Gloriagate is written, this press conference of Mike Defensor will stand out with the one of Toting Bunye holding up two CDs, under the category of “Faux Pas by the President’s Men”.

Even Butch Pichay seemed uncertain whether the DENR Secretary was still on GMA’s side and literally called for Mike to spend more time in the gubat instead of “tumaya sa mga tapes na ito”.

Sec. Defensor is like one of the LAST PERSONS still insisting “The Empress HAS clothes! Who say’s the Empress has no clothes?” after the CHILD in the legend has already convinced most everyone of the unjust, untruthful ruler’s state of total undress.

But as they say in the vernacular, masyadong magaling.

Because clever as he may think he is, poor Mike is sure to lose his credibility with the media and the public when he so ineptly insults their intelligence.

LOL @ Alecks

Were you guys able to get a copy of the disc presented by Defensor this morning?

LCsiao,

No, his staff only gave out copies of Dickey’s and Tiongco’s reports.

Well, they’ve learned their lesson from the Bunye Fiasco.

But, we shall wait for PCIJ to post the downloadable version of Mike version. (Don’t name your next son Mike, or Miguel or Miguelito or Mikey, or Mickey).

sir mike, ano ba ang ipinakain sa yo ng amo mo at sobrang amo mo sa kanya. di ako makapaniwala na isang taong katulad mo, na may talino..ay nagpapakabobo. pasensya na po…bugso lang ng damdamin. sobra na kasing katangahan ang ginagawa ni defensor…

The Mainstream Media has no more excuses. They should have the tapes independently authenticated na, in the interest of the public.

In-authenticate na ng opposition ang tape. Same with the administration (although hindi sa FBI).

Next step is for the mainstream media like ABS-CBN, GMA7, PDI, to determine the truth by having the tapes authenticated. there’s no more excuse for them NOT to do it.

none of these large organizations will have the tape authenticated because they are afraid that if Gloria survives, sila ang babalikan. And we can always say that Mike Defensor has lost his credibility and that he looks like a Marcos-era tuta, but as long as GMA survives, what does Mike Defensor care for what we have to say.

This game is over. GMA won.

Magkakagulo lang lalo… the tape already has 4 versions: Paguia, Ong, Lacson, Bunye. Tapos nag-authenticate na ang oposisyon.

The best thing to do is for Congress to have all versions completely and officially authentiecate this tapes for impeachment purposes. Meaning all version be given to at least 3 independent foreign audio experts. So we could have a better look.

Well, at least he is LOYAL!!

not only LOYAL but also GENEROUS …

he paid for Dickey’s analysis ( 3500 US Dollars ) using his own money .

…. using OUR money?

What if DICKEY’s analysis is true? Where does that put PCIJ? One simple, basic and rational question:

WHY WOULD DICKEY destroy his REPUTATION by saying the tapes are fake if indeed it is original? FOR $3,500??? THINK ABOUT THAT GUYS. The pinoy audio expert may be a fake and not credible. But DICKEY? For someone who authenticates for CNN, FOX NEWS, USA TODAY, VOICE OF AMERICA, risking everything for GMA?

Again….Dickey of course wont let his reputation destroyed for a mere 3500 US$, question is what tape they sent o Dickey for analysis since we know that Tiongco cud manufacture conversations from voice samples as demonstrated a week after Bunye went public with the two tapes in ABS CBN’s TV Patrol world.

Hey bangus, i don’t know dickey ;). But if he’s an expert then so be it. Besides Dickey’s involvement is purely professional. Meaning he just authenticated what is given. And that’s where we should pry our questioning eyes now.

Did Mikey really gave Dickey the same tape version that was distribute to media, like the one’s with PCIJ, or through the expert help of Tiongco that they created another version (sort of Mikey’s Z-tape), spliced it and bring it to Dickey. So Mikey and Tiongco are really not expecting an authentication but a validation or officially legitimizing their spliced version via Dickey’s expertise.

So its Tiongco after all… and not RJ Jacinto?

Atsaka baket mo pa nga pala kailangan i-authenticate yan Mikey? I I doubt if the $3500 really comes from your own pocket.(parang nakikinig si Mikey ano ha… baka lang maligaw :))

If you really want to authenticate the tape ask your amo. Diba? Kaya kahibangan yang sinasabing personal na pera mo yan. Sus tama na ang kalokohan na yan sa authentication. The burden of authenticating the tapes fall now on Congress because that’s their main evidence for impeachment. Or the opposition because they have no power to ask Gloria directly wether it is really the president and if the conversation that took effect are correct and unaltered.

Pero si Mikey… don’t be so trying hard. In the first place Mikey or Malacanan has no credibility initiating authentication because of their last stand on the issue - that is the tapes are illegal. And because Mikey can ask Gloria herself then Gloria can tell everybody the its over - over for Gloria as in she resign or over for the impeachment trial.

Simple isn’t it?

so what then is needed for everybody to accept an expert opinion on the tapes?

i suggest

first, we agree on which tape to send to an expert.

2nd, we agree on the expert who will do the analysis.

i agree that without knowing what tapes mike d gave to his “experts”, we cannot know for sure what these experts are purporting to be spliced.

defensor seems to be selective in using items from his “experts’” opinion to further his claim that the tapes are spliced. does dickey say that the “pagtaas” conversation between gma and garci has been spliced? has a voice recognition expert made a conclusion that it was or wasnt gma’s voice on those tapes?

gimper et al, palagay ko ang pinakain ni gma kay mike d to warrant this much effort and risk political ruin is…. charaaan…. love. baduy man…

si rj jacinto is connected to the chavit tapes and maybe the bunye tapes.

authenticate all.

masha,

I agree with you para may cridibilidad ang findings ng third party na mag a-authenticate ng tape, both sides must agree what tape need to be submitted for authentication. It is a valid musing also when you said that Mike defensor seemed to be selective in his tape. Of course, he will select what will serve his cause. But it seems the latest bomba of mike sya ang mapuputukan.

kailangan pa ba magaway sa kun ano at kun kanino? For to create a conclusive opinion atleast 3 experts must authenticate the tape. Then let the very shadowy and unreal truth commission evaluate its findings… so in essence impossible, right? Because there’s no truth commission yet.

These means that GMA is not honest in letting the people know the truth. And oh, CBCP won’t get angry if she delayed til eternity such commission - as long as a verbal communication has been established to these hypocritic bishops.

You see the announcement that its important to create a con-con than the truth commission should be an insult to CBCP’s plea. CBCP should have taken a stronger statement before.

Both sides to agree on which expert to tap and which tape to send?

Di mangyayari yun.

Kung sakaling nagpakita ng “balls” si Mike D., at tinanggap ang hamon ng Oposisyon, didistansya naman ang Malakanyang.

Mino-moro-moro lang tayo. They want to buy time and are just taking us for a ride.

The CBCP, with its posturings, has rendered itself irrelevant.

nahirapan si useless DENR sec. mike defensor maghanap nang salitang ipapalit sa dagdag para lumabo ang usapan kaya ngayon lang sya lumabas… at least pinatunayan nya na ginagamit pa pala nya ang kanyang utak.. pero matagal din nya naisip yon na meron palang katunog ang dagdag sa isang bayan sa Mindanao…

Dickey runs the business,,

He does not have enough customer’s filing just to authenticate something every single day…luckily Mike Defensor came…blah blah blah…so basically it’s not just $3,500 …there is more to that…The administration has enough funds for that…$3,500 is nothing…Even if Dickey acknowledge the voice of Osama Bin Laden,who cares…Mike could afford a ticket to US worth $2,000+++ roundtrip or more…

My Challenge to both the Administration and Opposition:

For the sake of the Dying/Poor Filipinos:

they have to test those tapes to the top 100 voice authentication centers and experts around the globe.

Then we can confirm by tallying the Yes and No Analysis of these experts.

How many countries have had top Voice recognition centers?

And that’s the time we could attest these chaotic TRUTH…

Dare or not to DARE?

Sir Sen Lacson,Pls challenge Mike “gecko” Defensor on these.

Let the Challenge begin!!!!!

if the filipino people were more widely educated, logical and articulate, we would not have “need” for the church in this. it is to the church’s interest that we remain ignorant and subservient so we will always turn to them for guidance on what we should do.

so maybe this is the time that we start to put the church in its proper place as an institution that is insignificant in public life and that should be concerned principally in the hearts of individual men and women.

“XXX Meanwhile, Taguig-Pateros Rep. Allan Peter Cayetano reiterated the opposition challenge to Defensor that they go together to a known audio recording firm or even to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) to submit the Hello Garci tapes, both the Bunye and Paguia’s tapes, for analysis.XXX” http://www.tribune.net.ph/

yan dapat. btw, cayetano’s senator sister pia is quiet in all this. how disappointing. like mar roxas, she seems to be fence-sitting. i hope mar roxas is not hoping to become president. i surely do not want a fence-sitter for president and more importantly, i do not want korina as 1st lady. yikes!

Anon’ng authentication pa? Nauuto tayo ng Malacañang! That’s exactly what Malacañang wants, it’s a trap. Pag ipinasok ang technical, hahaba ang lang ang diskusyon, lalo lang makakabili ng oras ang mga alipores ni Gloria para makaisip ng lusot at malinis na takpan yung mga iba pang ebidensyang di pa nakikita. Bakit hahaba? Sa dami ng version ng Hello Garci tapes at sa dami ng experts na nabili na ng Malacañang, di malayong magkanya-kanya na ito ng gawa ng tapes at ang resulta? …Mababale-wala na yung significance ng Hello Garci Tapes.

Balik sa authentication: what happens if GMA’s allies are successful in bribing these audio experts and twist the findings in her favor? Tatanggapin ba natin? With the jueteng billions and Pidal’s wealth, not to mention those of her “business partners” at her disposal, we might just end up blaming each other for playing into their gambit.

My feeling why Mike D has shifted his focus back onto the tapes is because Louie Zuce, Capt. Marlon Mendoza, and ex-Gov. Junior Dy are on track for the most damning testimonial evidences that connects jueteng and election cheating. The attention has to be diverted (again!) somewhere else. The supreme court has decided with finality on the Presidential Election results. Secondly, the bootlickers in congress can vote down the impeachment charges based the “wiretapped” tapes (I presume they will exert all legal effortS even to the point of bringing before the Supreme Court the matter pertaining to admissibility of wiretapped evidence). ILIGAW MUNA ANG MGA TAO DAHIL MAINIT NA YUNG ISYU NG PAMIMIGAY NG MGA PINEDA NG SUHOL SA COMELEC OFFICIALS IN THE PRESENCE OF GMA HERSELF.

The key to GMA’s impeachment lie heavily on 3 groups of witnesses:

1. Jueteng Operators/Financiers
2. ISAFP wiretappers (or SMART Telecoms?)
3. Garcillano himself

Pera-pera lang yan. Yung magwe-jueteng, pera hanap niyan kaya kahit illegal pinasok nila. May presyo yan, pwedeng umamin. Ung mga taga-ISAFP o SMART ganun din. Kay Garci, buhay ang nakataya, pero kung tagilid na si Gloria, kakanta na rin yan.

I dont want to disappoint everybody, but the audio files given to DICKEY came down from PCIJ site. If it is true this tiongco guy edited it again and gave him a copy for anlysis, this could easily be checked. But if the sound bytes came from PCIJ site, then i suppose it is the right version. The best thing now is for DICKEY and another audio group-a reputable one used by major networks abroad- a FORSENIC AUDIO expert not just an expert sound lab, etc, analyze the master tapes in the possesion of ONG. I think this is the supposed master of all tapes. The problem with ong’s tapes is that it has not been brought out even in congress and speculations arise that it might not even exist! Granting it does exist, the best thing now is to have it authenticated. The problem now with Defensors new tact is that all tapes have become suspect. GMA’s legal team will use this to EXCLUDE the tapes in the impeachment hearings. Speaking of the impeachment, a lawyer friend says, GMA’s legal team can FILE a motion with the SUPREME COURT that would exclude opposition senators- who will act as judges and WHO have repeatedly called for the resignation of GMA due to etc., etc. They can show as evidences- interviews on TV, radio and newspaper clippings the BIASES of the particular senators against GMA. That is the REASON why pia cayetano, mar roxas have remained quiet. I think everybody should be aware of that. On the other hand the opposition can file a similar case agains pro-admin senators who have also pre-judged and said GMA did nothing wrong. Guess what will happen if all this plays out? GMA laughing all the way to finish her term. Think about that!

Guys if we let the oposition just do their course, what do you think will be the end of these battle. If PCIJ really has the goods on GMA and all of us believe that GMA erred wy dont we, the quite majority take our course and right what we believe is wrong. Ang dami dami nang nag sasabi na dapat magresign si GMA marami nagagalit sa CBCP for being cold and indiffirent about the issue but what are we doing? Kung maraming kumbinsido na nag cheat talaga si GMA by all means she has to relinquish her seat in Malacanang. What are we doing?

as far as malacanang is concerned, jueteng-election fraud brouhaha is hogwash now after FG (first gapang arroyo) achieved in discrediting witnesses.

now, they are centering on the “hello, garci” tapes…(they are trying to block the opposition’s amended complaint which is not relying solely on the “hello, garci” tapes and this recent attack on the veracity of the tapes)…put a BIG question to their authentication then you can put to waste the impeachment complaint.

may utak din naman pala si mike d. kahit kaunti…kasi he was able to render confusion even to believers (of the GMA-garci taps)…mas lalo na malamang sa mga non-believers!

what i’m wondering about is how come “bright-boy” mike d. didn’t ask for a discount from dickey because he just submitted 2 tracks of audio recording…(ping paid $4thou for his whole-tape authentication)…or is dickey really expensive?…come to think of it, i wonder who’s the d___head among the two?

Di dapat ma-exclude yung tapes because that’s the center of the issue.
It’s exclusion is definitely Mike D’s objective.
Kahit hamunin ng opposition si Mike o si PGMA di papatol. Sue talo kasi sila. Kids’ game ang hamunan pero kids’ are pure of intentions but adults are not.
Yun na.

but what did dickey really say? did he categorically say the tapes and all the conversations therein were spliced? the answer is no. selective naman itong boytoy ni gma e. plus that the pcij version was given to dickey for the moment is a self-serving claim of boytoy mike d.

cayetano and roxas predicted an impeachment trial from the get go? that’s why we havent heard a peep from them? c’mon. kahit man lang para sabihin na huminahon tayo at gamitin ang ating kukote? not a word from these two. they are cowards. they have become trapo; calculating where to put their bets on. until now they’re calculating. for whatever it’s worth, i will campaign against them in the future.

gma may finish her term (i hope not) but i assure you she aint laughing. she rivals marcos now as the most reviled president of the country. this is painful for her as it is for us. people spit on her family as well as her inner circle as the scum of the earth. even luli (said to be the most reasonable of the bunch) has chosen to look the other way regarding her mom’s “indiscretion” as she insists that they won because the opposition were lax in campaigning and that they worked hard. non sequitur, man! conversing with garci is entirely distinct from campaigning hard. masters, fso and for that matter, logic, integrity down the drain. all to save the queen.

what dickey says, (from the inquirer)

“XXXBut while Defensor appeared certain that the report was conclusive, Dickey nonetheless suggested the need for further verification and even reserved the right to modify his report in the future, upon the submission of the so-called “mother of all tapes.”

“The results suggest that the audio is the resultant of several transfers, which involved the audio being recorded/encoded/decoded by different devices. [However] several anomalies … require further analysis of comparative exemplars created by the original recording,” Dickey said.XXX)

What Dickey analyzed were the INCRIMINATING portion that had “dag-dag” on it and another one. These two are the focus because it sort of connects the fraud on them. I doubt very much if this two portion were spliced and edited and given to Dickey.

We CANNOT be emotional about this issue and just say the impeachment will prove other things that would have GMA impeached.

We have to have a fall back position just in case the GARCI-TAPES are EXCLUDED. I think that is the goal of defensor’s thrust.

And yes, BEWARE of Gov Dy. HE will favor GMA and not the opposition. If he was decided in spilling the beans GMA he would have done it last week. He is dangerous because he may raise opposition of anti-GMA forces and then when he testifies, says otherwise.

Im sure MIKE A has gotten to him already.

In my opinion, it’s very likely that the two tracks contained in the disc sent by Tiongco to Dickey were tampered with. The findings don’t jibe with those of UniQuest and the one sought by PCIJ. Moreover, there was no attempt on Mike’s part to hand over the disc supposedly analyzed by Dickey to the local media to have said findings verified by other experts.

But you’re right. The Opposition needs to have SEVERAL fallback positions. For one, even if the Paguia and Ong tapes are deemed authentic by foreign experts like the FBI or Scotland Yard and deemed admissible as evidence, there might not even be any impeachment trial to speak of.

From Inq7.net

……Defensor said Dickey’s findings could be used as evidence to refute the charges against Arroyo in case an impeachment complaint filed against her in the House would proceed to the Senate.

Quoting Dickey, Defensor said if this happened in the US, this would have been “thrown out of the garbage.”

In radio station RMN558 this morning, Don Lino a US based radio broadcaster said he talked for 45 minutes with Dickey. Dickey told him that he never said that the cd was spliced ( it was the local counterparts who labeled it as such) and should be thrown out of the garbage. and dickey has no scientific report yet,only a preliminary opinion based on the tracks Defensor submitted

As their lies are showly being exposed, expect Mike Defensor to do his mea culpa and blame it all on Tiongco.

Mike has already changed tune during the interview with Sartou sa ANC. Mike seemingly doesn’t have any idea about his fellow Filipinos. Hindi ang mga mayayaman lang na katulad nila ang marunong sumubaybay sa nangyayari through technology. Kung gaano sila kabilis maglubid ng kasinungalingan, ganoon din kabilis na nabubuking ang kapalpakan. ‘Di kaya siya napapagod sa pag papa interview at pag iimbestiga at pagpapalit ng statement?

E gunggong kasi ang mga anchors kanina ng ANC eh. Di sila marunong mag-spot ng mga inconsistencies at contradictory statements.

Dickeys opinion:

It is my opinion, based on the examination of the copy provided, that several anomalies exist which question the integrity of QA-1. The results suggest that the audio is the resultant of several transfers, which involved the audio being recorded/encoded/decoded by different devices. With the exception of the variation of fundamental frequency referenced as 00:00:33:00-00:0035:00, several anomalies associated with the time domain of 00:00:29:00-00:00:36:00 require further analysis of comparative exemplars created by the original recording,” Dickey said in his conclusion report.

Ha ha ha try again Mike and Tiongco ( not Mike Enriquez and Mel Tiangco). Dickey would definitely issue this opinion because Tiongco altered the two tracks ( as being recorded/encoded/decoded by different device). And to the phrase- yung dagdag, yung dagdag as really ???Binalbag. My rotweiller says……. Awooooooooo!!!!

The opposition is out destroy the credibility of Tiongco and the rest of them who showed up at the press con yesterday.

I wonder if the opposition could dig up some facts and destroy the credibility of Mr. Barry Dickey - tingnan natin ang galing nila Ping Lacson dito. Mga tiga-opposition experto na talaga ang tumitingin at hindi lang experto pang Osama Bin Ladin na - ibang level na ito.

Advise to the opposition, TRY TO GROW A BRAIN A LITTLE BIT. If you guys really want to pin down GMA, look for a very unique angle. Ang hirap kasi sa inyo, kung ano yung nangyari kay Erap ay ganun din ang gusto nyo kay GMA.

Learn from George Bush, the first day he sat for President - he right away concentrated on re-election which means he did his homework right away in not making mistakes (the way his opposition did).

Ang pandaraya sa election ay luma ng kwento, tama si Miriam - “Nasaan kayo nung dinaya siya”.

People in the senate and congress are just wasting tax payers money looking for this crap truth and this is costing the country money.

Matatapos na ang taon ng 2005, at tingnan ninyo ang mangayayari, mauuwi lahat ito sa wala.

By the end of they year 2005, this is what you are going to see. All of these Congressmen and Senators enjoying the Yuletide season (either in the Philippines or elsewhere) having lots of food and etc - and the poor Filipino people having nothing in their table to eat - AND THIS IS WHAT YOU CALL PHILIPPINE DEMOCRACY.

Masha
how i wish that was true- about people spitting at GMA and her family. you should come here to the provinces- in the visayas and see for yourself if people have the same hatred for GMA here like there. youd be surprised what you’d find out.

Nobody in the opposition is trying to discredit Barry Dickey. They don’t think like JDV.

Oh, and Tiongco has already been discredited long ago by administration allies, no less.

bangus,

While people in the provinces are more laid back insofar as this issue is concerned, it doesn’t mean that there’s no brewing hatred just waiting to be unleashed.

I have relatives scattered across the Visayas and Mindanao and the sentiments of the people they come across mirror those in the NCR more and more. Well, folks from the Visayas still have warm and fuzzy feelings for Gloria but I’m told they’re decreasing by the day.

Bangus,

“Dy is dangerous. he will side with GMA. Mike A had gotten to him already”

This is actually my question here but on the other thread. When Mike Arroyo decided to go to the US of A again to supposedly continue his self-imposed excile, I suspected na gagapangin nya si Dy who is likewise in the US.

[...] AT DENR Secretary Michael Defensor’s press conference yesterday, I brought up the issue of the tapes that Press Secretary Ignacio Bunye presented to the Malacañang press corps last June 6 because these — both the allegedly "original/unaltered" and "spliced" versions — also contain the "yung dagdag" portion, which Defensor alleges to have been inserted in the Paguia tape. Except for the deleted utterance of the word "Namfrel" in the supposedly "unaltered" version, this portion was found to be free from splicing by an independent sound expert who shared with us his analysis of the Bunye tapes. [...]

Bangus,

On the other hand, Ping Lacson said he believes Dickey. But if you give Dickey garbage, the results will be garbage. Lacson submitted the full length recording to Uniquest unlike Defensor’s 2 tracks that were never verified to be the same ones taken from PCIJ’s site.

A lot of new posts have explained the fallacy of Tiongco/Defensor’s theory. Read them.

sorry to say, bangus, but gma does not REALLY care for people in the provinces. they normally do not write history books and gma doesnt move in their social circles. but be assured that it pains her to know that the intellectual and/or middle class of manila hate her guts. even her trusted deputies have gone against her. that cant bring her happiness.

also teddy benigno wrote once that gma and her hubby do not care for the poor of the country. in short, they’re matapobre. they say gma got her matapobre attitude from her mom who was said to be a social climber.

Looks like the opposition doesn’t have to do anything but Laugh with amazement … “Yung, Binalbag, Yung Binalbag”.

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Nash said,
August 13, 2005 @ 3:30 pm

The opposition is out destroy the credibility of Tiongco and the rest of them who showed up at the press con yesterday.

Looks like Mike Arroyo will have to come back again from the U.S., palpak yung Plan H “Oplan Cover-Up” ni Mike Defensor.

Pero, yung OPLAN “Hide Garci” eh, matindi, sino kaya ang nag-tatago sa kanya? PSG?…

In any case, with the formal issuance of summon to Garci from Congress, looks like any body who are aware of his whereabouts but failed to report to Congress is guilty of obstruction justice.

[...] According to PCIJ, however, Dickey’s findings were inconclusive. Using waveform and spectrogaphic analysis, the forensic expert pointed to several “anomalies” that cast doubt on the integrity of the recordings. But these “anomalies,” he said, could be the result of “several transfers, which involved the audio being recorded/encoded/decoded by different devices.” [...]

defensor just lived to his name ! defensor ni PweGMA !, I’m not surprised kung ganun na lang nag kukumahog si mike na isalba ang kanyang amo dahil saan naman siya pupulutin ?..Mikey..poor guy still trying to impress chiz escudero ?.lahat naman during your college days alam na you were infinitesimal to his ability to think and analyze. admit it , di mo mararating yung tagumpay na nag hihintay kay chiz , the guy thinks before he speaks , not like you na parang latang walang laman ..mas maingay pag sinipa sipa !

NO match naman si Mike Defensor kay Chiz Escudero!

Si Mike Defensor ay tulad ng isang mababaw na ilog, masyadong maingay pero si Chiz ay isang matining na ilog, malalim at tahimik. Si Chiz ay simbolo ng kabataang may integridad at prinsipyo si Mike D ay simbolo ng batang TRAPO na maagang na corrupt ng kanyang amo. Si Chiz ay magiging senador at posibleng maging Presidente, Si Mike D ay…. ewan ko kung saan pa ito pupulutin siguro maging DJ na lang ito sa karera ng kabayo.

GMA yung sinabi mong you’ll gonna clean your cabinet, bakit nandyan pa rin si Mike Defensor sa DENR. gawin mo na lang siyang political adviser mo bago siya tuluyang ibasura ng DENR.

Please lang do what is right, we need somebody in DENR that would focus on Logging, garbage, etc. Don’t wait for other gov’t institution, NGO to work and demand his ouster.

Please lang, Father Reyes paki tuloy yung inyong pagtutol kay Mike Defensor sa DENR na nakalusot sa commision on appointment. simulan natin dito

Siguro si Cong. Miguel Zubiri pa rin yata ang closet adviser ni Sec. Michael Defensor tungkol sa pag-defensa kay Madame GMA. Meeting place nila lagi somewhere sa Quezon Avenue.

Pero when talking about the Law and some serious stuff, di pa rin sila uobra sa Escudero and Cayetano tandem.

Tlagang walang binatbat yang si mike defensor at zubiri kat chiz escudero. e sa sobrang pagtatangol nila kay gloria ayan natunaw na ang utak. kahit naman yung mga matatandang hukluban sa kongreso e like sila lagman baterina datumanong fuentebella jaraulla pichay nograles jdv mat defensor at lalo na yang bastos na si villafuerte yaks mga ungas. at itong si villafuerte bastos magsalita sa congress katulad ng foreplay, dyos KO!!! anong kongreso meron tayo. nagpapakita lang na itong si villafuerte ay manyakis talaga!!!! diring diri ako sa pinagsasabi ng matandang ito

Ang sinasabi yata ni GMA na cabinet eh yung cabinet niys sa La Vista. Baka may listahan din ng naibigay na pera kay Garci at listahan ng mga nabigyan na at bibigyan pa at kailangang aptuloy na bigyan para di maimpeach.

SABI KO SA INYO NA ANAK NI BIG MIKE SI MIKE DEFENSOR ARROYO SA LABAS EH. MAGKAMUKHA NA SILA AT PAREHONG GARAPAL AT SUWAPANG SA PERA. MAKAKAPAL ANG MGA MUKHA.
MIKE ARROYO, MIKEY ARROYO AND MIKE DEFENSOR AS THE TRIPLE M.
AS IN MAGNANAKAW, MADAYA AT MANLOLOKO.

ganun??? Elow sa lahat ng tao sa tingin ko!!! mag sitigil na sila tama na ang pagaaway la yan pupuntahan dapat makuntento na sila dami na sila kurakot eh… kawawa naman ang bansa natin nagdurusa na dapat magicip ang pangulo natin na isang magan strategy para umunlad ang ating bayan… at taung mga tao mamayan makipagay makipagtulungan naman para kahit minsan my pagbabago naman hindi un lagi taung nakasalungat… kaya tau naghihirap eh dapat tau mag tulungan para sa ikauuland ng pilipinas…lagi na lang impeachment o ibat ibang bagbabatikos ala na bang iba??? ha?letcheng buhay magtulungan kasi tau…. SAMA SAMA MGA PILIPINO PARA SA IKAUUUNLAD NATIN…. pumili kasi kayo ng KARAPATDAPAT OK…

-zha-

elows??? mga pazaway musta ako ala akong pake djan basta wag lang nila papakelaman ang pagiibigan namin ni zha ok alang mangengeelam… at sana pag nagpakasal at nag karuon na kami ng anak ay hindi na magulo at umunlad na ang pilipinas… basta mahal ko tong babae ko…

-rom-

monthsary namin 17… ha ha ha published ba naman???

on the other side halata ng maggagamit mga mangloloko sila sabagay di na uso un GRAFT AND CORRUPTION sa atin luma na un gawai un ng mga my katungkulan sa bahay makikita naman yan sa life style ng mga plipino diba maraming naghihirap ngayon???
-zha-
panu ba susugpuin ang ganyan??
-rom-
ewan?
-zha-
tangalin si gloria para alan ng away?
-rom-
ganun panu ang bansa so mahirap mamuno ng mga matitigas ang ulo di runong sunod at sino ang mamumuno? my kakahayan ba siya hirap mgaing presidente nu kala mu lang
-zha-
teka baka magway tau honiebhe wag
-rom-
nanawagan kami sana lumantad na tutuo… at ayusin nyo ito bago tuluyan bumagsak ang pilipinas at di na tau makabangon ulit naniniwala pa rin kaming may bagasa pa hanngat may buhay…
-romzha-

pwede bang tingilan na yang dagdag na yan naghihirap na tau ang economiya ng bansa….-zha

Kawawa ka naman mr. secretary, tama si Congressman Pichay na kaalyado rin nang fake president, magtanim ka na lang ng mga punongkahoy, makikinabangan pa ng taong bayan…manghuli ka na lang ng smoke belchers…I really dont see any reason why these administration congressmen and defensor, ermita, bunye, raul gonzales, ebdane, wyccoco, saludo, miriam defensor, gordon, lapid (bobo talaga) nabulagbulagan sa mga kasalanan ni gma…baka tumatanggap din sila ng jueteng money….

romzha said,
August 17, 2005 @ 5:13 pm

pwede bang tingilan na yang dagdag na yan naghihirap na tau ang economiya ng bansa….-zha

PAG TINIGALAN BA YAN AASENSO NA TAYO?????

hwek, hwek, hwek….. ganda ng title ng column na ito…

mike defensor’s offensive….

mukhang dapat yata eh mike defensor is offensive….. lol

offensive to the senses na nagpaloko siya ke tiongco…
offensive to the mind na isiping inakala at talagang gusto niya tayong isama sa mga tangang lolokohin ni tiongco…
offensive & odorous ang labas ng peke at ini-splice na recording
offensive sa DENR budget kung doon talaga nangaling ang ibinayad niyang $3,500 [misapropriation of funds yun di ba?]

omg… pigilan niyo ako…… baka maging offensive din ako at baka ako magpass wind…sa katatawa……
lol

Akala ni Mike Defensor ay ang papuputukin niya ay “Baby Dinamite” galing Bulacan at ang buong akala niya ay mayanig niya ang Barangay Tambakan yon pala ay “Supot” na triangulo lang!!! Kawawang Mike ginawang sangkalan ng mga “Palpak ng Lipunan”, sayang ka napakabata mo pa para patayin ang kinabukasan mo sa politika. Dahil pagbagsak ni GMA ay sa Barangay Tambakan ka na din dadamputin kapag tumakbo pa, sayang ka!!!! May panahon ka pa kaya lang, kailangan mong tumiwalag sa kampo ni GMA. Kaya mo bang gawin yon?

Kung basura yong pinasuri mo para malaman ang amoy eh siyempre mabaho talaga ang amoy niyan! di ba? at hindi pwedeng amoy bulaklak yan!… Kaya sa susunod na gumawa ka ng hakbang ay maniguro ka muna. Makakabuti pa nga sa iyong magtanim na lang ng kamote!…

O sige, granted na hindi mga original tapes ang napaassess ni Sec. Defensor, ang magandang punto na napatunayan nya, sampu ng pinoy sound engineers natin ay kayang magdagdag ng salita gamit ang digital alteration.

female voice (1st sample):
will I still lead by 1 million votes?

female voice (with digital alteration):

will FPJ still lead by 1 million votes?

Note: hearing it alone will make you think “ay oo nga no?, sounds the same person, yun nga lang may naidagdag na character”.

Kaibigang “fencesitter”! hinay-hinay lang huwag masyadong magmadali at dadating tayo diyan!…Kung patuloy ang ginagawa ng Kongreso na ibasura yong ammended version ng impeachment complain ay walang pagpipilian ang ating mga kababayang Pinoy kundi sa kalye ituloy ang laban. In the meantime, majority of Filipinos are just waiting for the rule of law to be observed as it was currently debated in Congress. At kung yong hinihiling ng nakakaraming Pinoy ay di pinakingan na ating mga matatalinong Kongresista ay doon natin mararamdam ang galit at poot ng sambayanang Pinoy! Kaya huwag kang mainip kaibigan, bigyan natin sila ng pagkakataon!…baka sakaling maging 79 yong Kongresistang mga makabayan at makatutuhanan! malay natin pumirma pa si Pichay, Nograles, Datumanong at De Venicia para maging 79 yong pro-impeachment, di ba? Kahit naman siguro mga pusong dragon yong mga yan ay meron pa ding pag-asang magbago ang isipan! Sana nga!…

Congressmen Cayetano, Escudero, Golez, Zamora at iba pa! kumbinsehin silang mabuti baka sakaling magbago ang kanila asal at maging asal tao sila!…Malapit na naman ang election, yong mga bulag sa katotohanang pulitiko ay humanda na kayo at sa kankungan na kayo pupulutin! Mag-isip-isip na kayo at huwag ng magsipsip kay Little Giant (GMA) dahil malapit na siyang kasinlaki ni Mahal….Sama na kayo sa Pro-Impeachment!…

Timtim2 said,

August 18, 2005 @ 1:48 pm

O sige, granted na hindi mga original tapes ang napaassess ni Sec. Defensor, ang magandang punto na napatunayan nya, sampu ng pinoy sound engineers natin ay kayang magdagdag ng salita gamit ang digital alteration.
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Anong klaseng gamit ba yung “digital alteration” na binabanggit mo?? Isipin mo muna ang iba-blog mo kasi nililito mo rin kami dito eh. Di naman siguro Defensor o Bunye o Claudio ang apelyido mo…

Kahit pa manipulahin ang conversation using digital audio EQUIPMENT or Digital Sound Editor di yan makakaligtas sa forensic audio analysis. Makikita sa spectral view ang mga splices at editing na ginawa sa conversation.

Ang napatunayan natin dito ay galing nina Defensor at Tiongco gumawa ng istorya matapos makapag-splice ng dalawang tracks. Kaya nga binayaran ang serbisyo ni Tiongco upang i-splice ang dalawang tracks. Pinakamahalagang napatunayan dito, itong si Defensor at Tiongco ay parehong MAY SAYAD!

Peace Timtim2

On Chiz Escudero’s apparent “integrity”: take it with a grain of salt… ask his batchmates at the UP College of Law what he was like even as a student and you might be surprised… ang sa akin lang, let’s not mistake eloquence with integrity…

Surely, he didn’t act as an errand boy as what Mike Defensor did during his UP days. Well, he is still an errand boy up to now, come to think of it.

tonyvn said,
August 18, 2005 @ 1:59 pm

Kaibigang “fencesitter”! hinay-hinay lang huwag masyadong magmadali at dadating tayo

diyan!…Kung patuloy ang ginagawa ng Kongreso na ibasura yong ammended version ng impeachment

complain ay walang pagpipilian ang ating mga kababayang Pinoy kundi sa kalye ituloy ang

laban.
===

In other words, kapag hindi nasunod ang gusto ng oposisyon, no matter what kind of junk of

an impeachment complaint they have, they will just pin the blame on the administration

anyway.

LCsiao,

What was Escudero doing being FPJ’s spokesman? What’s he doing endorsing Susan Roces?

tonyvn said,
August 18, 2005 @ 1:59 pm

Kaibigang “fencesitter”! hinay-hinay lang huwag masyadong magmadali at dadating tayo

diyan!…Kung patuloy ang ginagawa ng Kongreso na ibasura yong ammended version ng impeachment

complain ay walang pagpipilian ang ating mga kababayang Pinoy kundi sa kalye ituloy ang

laban.
===

In other words, kapag hindi nasunod ang gusto ng oposisyon, no matter what kind of junk of

an impeachment complaint they have, they will just pin the blame on the administration

anyway.

selene,

Are you Atty. Grace Maduramente?

Anong klase ba yung tanong mo? Tanong na isinagot mo rin LOL

Tsaka ano ba yang comment mo? Wala namang tuwirang koneksyon ang pagbabasura ng complaint sa diumanong pagiging basura nito. Mga utak basura lang ang nagiisip ng ganyan.

Mag-PROMIL o GAIN ka na nga.

Tsaka kung sakaling di mo na-gets, selene, di ko sinabing errand boy si Mike D dahil umaasta siyang spokesman sa pagtatanggol niya sa kanyang beloved principal. Dahil kung ganun, dapat na rin palang mag-qualify bilang errand boys and girls sa gabinete ni Pandak ang lahat ng dumidipensa sa kanya.

LCsiao…..
It’s been a while since we last talked!! haha I’m starting to sway more toward your side on some issues…it’s looking as if GMA and her cohorts really did fix the last election… Garci leaving the country, Defensor trying to persuade people with his tape and his popularity… I’m blown away by the whole situation. I think if Garci is in the US, we need to send him back to the Philippines so he can be questioned, and as it looks, eventually prosecuted for his role in one of the biggest election frauds in world history. I also think that GMA needs to stop dragging people down with her… Defensor had a chance to do some great things for the Philippines, but chose to defend GMA. His young career as a bright rising star in politics is ruined because of her… She really needs to rethink what she will do, before she brings the country into a civil war with her pride… I hope she resigns gracefully…

I’ve also done alot of soul searching and praying about my opinions on FPJ, and I’m starting to think that maybe I was wrong there also. He was much more ‘down to earth’ than GMA, and even tho he didn’t have a formal education, he still could have done some great things for the country… At least he was one thing that GMA isn’t, and that is trustworthy. Coming from a poor background, he probably would have worked his ass off to make the Philippines a better place… I’m a bit ashamed of myself for wearing blinders on these issues, but I’m glad that I’ve educated myself more, as what I’ve learned has changed my opinion. The conspiracy theory that I was attaching to the opposition should have been attached to GMA, and the palace.

I want to thank everyone who has corrected me, opposed what I have said in these blogs, encouraged my thoughts… LCsiao and Noelet, in particular… God Bless us all….

Charley

lcsiao

nililito talaga nila ang tao, especially sec mike defensor, but then, sino ba nag mumukhang tanga sa ginagawa nila? look at what’s happening in congress, sometimes naiisip ko, nakakainsulto na sa intelligence and sensibilities ng publiko, walang mangyayari talaga, in the end, tayong mga ordinaryong publiko ang magdedesisyon kung ano ang makakabuti sa bansa.

mabuhay!

Tama ka diyan, tambuli!

Nagmumukhang tanga talaga sila sa lahat ng ginagawa nila.

Biruin mo, ang kapal pa ng apog ng lintik na Tianak na yan na mang-akusa sa mga kalaban niya ng pamumulitika. E sino ba ang numero unong namumulitka kundi siya. Kung matatandaan, di pa nga umiinit ang puwet niya sa inagaw niyang puwesto noon ay puro pamumulitika na ang inatupag niya.

Tapos, may gana pa siyang gumawa ng “hot air” comment. Sino kaya ang magaling maglabas ng hot air na sing amoy pa ng pinaka-mabahong utot sa bawat pagbukas ng kanyang bibig?

Well, kung sabagay, di naman dyan nag-iisa si Tianak.

Kaninang umaga lang, nang maibalita na isinuri ni Jim Sarthou ang iba’t ibang “Hello Garci” tapes (Paguia, Ong, Lacson, Bunye), lumabas na naman itong hinayupak na Mike Defensor at nagsimula na namang tumalak.

Ang sabi kasi ni Jim, may editing o putol sa isang maliit na bahagi ng Paguia version. Hindi naman niya nasabi kung anong parte. Basta sinaad lang niya na yung Paguia version ay “essentially the same as the others (Ong, Lacson)” at yung Bunye (supposed original) ay dinuktor.

Hayan! Sinabi kagad ni Mr. Blabbermouth na vindication daw yun sa findings nila. Dahil yung pinadala daw niya kay Dickey ay hango sa Paguia version at nasabi raw na may anomalya, at nasuri rin ni Sarthou at nasabing may putol, tama raw sila. Hindi pa siya nagtapos dito. Sinabi pa niya, porque ayon kay Sarthou na magkakapareho lang naman ang Paguia, Ong, at Lacson tapes, lahat daw ng mga versions na ‘to ay spliced. Hallerrr!!!!

Hay naku! Wala na talagang pag-asa yang mga yan.

lcsiao,

cool ka lang, wag masyado highblood, kakailanganin natin ang strenght and will ng lahat ng tao in the coming days or months, it looks like wala kasing mangyayari sa kongreso. keep your cool for the coming fight. im sure magiging involved na ang taong bayan dito, siguro, dapat tapusin na ito once and for all para matahimik narin ang ating bayan.

mabuhay!

I pity Mr. Secretary Defensor…Does your end justify your means.
You’re still too young to put too much effort and dedication to defend the president which i think is indefensible.or should i say we think.Remember history will be the judged the future generations of this country will remember you as the person who stood up to a president whose main agenda is to reamain in power at all cost.Remember like any other Politicians or or humans were not here forever and soon our legacy is what we will all leave in this Earth.How do you want to be remembered…

RIP-here lies Mr.Secretary who all his life all body and soul
dedicated his energy and strength to protect the president and not the environment.Who all his life lied about the truth and even tried to twist the truth to better serve her master..
here lies a loyal subject of Pres.Gloria Arroyo.Who stayed loyal to the end to the President and not to the People…AMEN

mike, wala naman naniniwala sa iyo bakit hindi ka na lang manahimik? anu ba pinaamoy ni GMA sa iyo? bakit ganyan na lang ang pagtatanggol mo, sukdulang itaya mo ang iyong kredibilidad ? bilib talaga ako sa tapang ng sikmura mo tol, pati ba naman si tsonggo pinatulan mo pa!!

I think everybody MISSED the point with mike’s expose of the tapes, whether wrong. The goal really was to have ALL Tapes under the suspicion of doubt. Think about this: He says the tapes came from Alan Pagua. The opposition says it can be used as reference as it was edited (obviously from samuel ongs tapes) but then again this same tape was used for the CONGRESSIONAL hearings! There seems to be an inconsistency in that alone. 2nd the Samuel Ong tapes have not been out yet. Ping Lacson (he must be working for GMA), says the ong tapes are not the original as the ORIGINALS are with ISAFP. What if one day ISAFP comes out with this supposed original version but has someone edit it expertly. Will people bite? NO, obviously because ISAFP will not believed anymore. The issue becomes a circus with no “particular” tape as source. It has been established that indeed it was GMA’s voice and GARCI’s. But the portions that said dag-dag could be questioned. And with no PARTICULAR Tape pinpointed a original- we will all be taken in for a ride. THAT IS DEFENSORS GOAL!

Btw, ive gotten feedbacks from friends in the provinces. Govt funds have been poured heavily to provinces with the goal of giving employment to a maximum number of people. Why is this relevant? Because for so long as the Local Officials - from GOVERNER to CONGRESSMEN continues to support GMA, there would be no other option but to wait until SHE resigns (which she wont), wait until her term is over (which is a loooong time) or have the military takeover. The last option is delicate as their are DIFFERENT groups now at play if and when a power grab happens. Even in the ranks of junior officers, there are factions who say they should be the ones who should be appointed. Among some: Kawal Filipino, the JR officers who last made siege in makati and the junior officers who graduated 1995 up. In short with a power grab, and when the smoke clears, we all would end up being in the same situation and even worse as these SAME officers will begin to enrich themselves. For so long they have been hungry. And there would be even a much bigger power play when the polticians join the fray.

Hindi abot ng utak ni mike defensor ang ganuong goal, alam nya nagkamali sya sa pagprisinta ng analysis nila ni jonathan at pilit nya pa rin pinagtatakpan, kaya lalo lang magkakaletse letse ang mga ginagawa nya.

…. hirap talaga maglubid ng kasinungalingan, hirap gisingin ang gising at hirap makarinig ang nagbibingi-bingihan at hirap makakita ang nagbubulag-bulagan!!

22 years after Ninoy’s death the situation is still the same, some say it is even worse. Who do we have? The same people who supported MARCOS from both sides: from the opposition and administration. De Venecia, Tatad, Maceda, Enrile, Marcos, Escudero (the father), Zamora, Estrada, etc.,etc. Same situation, same people. Who is to blame? NOT Gloria, NOT ramos, NOT ERAP. WE ARE TO BLAME! After GLORIA it will still be the same. The situation will not be better. The politicians will have their self interest agenda, the businessmen, the same, the left and right, the same, the Religious sector, the same. In the end the POOR filipino will be like puppets being played all over again. The WORST thing that is happening, is the YOUTH forgetting about Ninoy and the evils of Marcos. Imee Marcos is No. 3 among legislators among the youth. The same with Bong-Bong Marcos. We cannot have a country that we dream of when our people forget the past. We can have PCIJ until year 2050 and the situation will still be the same. Divine Providence? That may be the only chance we have…

bangus,

indeed, anong makukuha natin kapag pinalitan si GMA? same old trapos. kaya i don’t buy the crap the opposition is feeding the public.

[...] IN COMPLIANCE with the order of the Quezon City Regional Trial Court (RTC), the Philippine Center for Investigative Journalism has removed  from this blog a post, dated August 12, 2005, describing  the background and credentials of Jonathan Tiongco, the audio expert presented the same day by Environment Secretary Michael Defensor in order to question the authenticity of the "Hello Garci" recording. [...]

[...] This statement can be proved or disproved. A competent technical analysis of the recording could show whether in fact it had been altered. The problem is that it would then become a battle of technical experts. As early as June, both Sen. Paniflo Lacson and former senator Francisco Tatad presented independent verification of the authenticiy of the recording made by an Australian and U.S. firm, respectively. (See PCIJ’s account here.)  In August, Environment Secretary Michael Defensor presented his own panel of experts to cast doubt on the authenticity of the tapes. Defensor showed the findings of U.S. sound expert Barry Dickey who said there were  “anomalies” in the recording, but also that these anomalies could be the result of “several transfers, which involved the audio being recorded/encoded/decoded by different devices.” [...]

[...] Jonathan Tiongco has been linked to Presidential Chief of Staff Michael Defensor, who presented the sound engineer in a press conference last Aug. 12, in a bid to question the authenticity of the “Hello, Garci” recording. In a telephone interview with the PCIJ this afternoon, Defensor denied any knowledge of the search warrant against PCIJ. [...]