10 reasons to doubt the 2004 election results

In a country where for years we have always had a electoral system so full of human intervention & have always had places in mindanao where supervising an election is almost close to impossibel because of cultural differences & violence in the extrems.
so it’s only in 2006 that we start doubting election results.
ang tagal na that election results where never accurate anyway.
but no one ever bothered to improve the system.

The more one looks at the figures, the angrier one becomes. If only there is a shorter way to bring the truth out in the open.

to the PCIJ people,
This is not about elections, but I have the feeling that the government has something up its sleeve if this is true.This is about the monthly pension of widows of retired soldiers. Mrs. Padirugao’s husband died sometime in 1997 and she started receiving 75% of her husbands pension benefits. However, the last time she went to the headquarters she was informed that she was overpaid and that overpaymnet shall be deducted from her succeeding pensions. She was not given any paper to substantiate or even explaint he matter. The poor widow does not know what to do. She was just handed a piece of paper showing computations. Her husband was a retired Philippine Navy enlisted pesonnel. I hope you can shed light on this and clarify the issue. Many more benefiaries now fear of losing the little that they are receiving.

Thank you.

not true, joselu, automation of our elections has been a long-running project, but as has been reported time and again, it’s been sabotaged by politicians and COMELEC officials alike.

it’s those who like the system the way it is (because it’s easy for such people to manipulate) that make sure the system stays the way it is.

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jester, let’s hope we really do get to automate very soon.cuz we can’t go forward this way.
Personaly, i beleave there will always be groups to make it impossible that we automate.I think it’s in the interest of comelec that we do automate.Problem is there will always groups that will create so many legal barriers.
We are such a legalistic society that we don’t seem to go anywhere anyway.
I’m sure that if we really wanted to have credible elections the last time. It’s impossible not to be able to agree if we truely want clean & accurate results.
Problem is some people prefer the imperfect system because it leaves so much space to question anything & to make magic.
I bet that even if we would be automated one day there will still be the silliest protest.
Persoanly, I think we are wasting our time questioning the results of the last elections.
It’s a system that has always been open to human error & intervention.
And we ALL knew that from the start.
If we question one result. we might as well question all the results.
If we really are serious then the better thing to do is work for reforms in the electoral system & look to the future.
We can’t do much about the past.
We also can’t go on acting like hungry & blood thirsty wolves after ever political excersice.
What are our REAL INTENSIONS?
Is it to use the problems to push agendas?
Or is it to solve problems?

What is the very first and primary reason to doubt the credibility of the 2004 elections? That gave GMA the ‘rare’ opportunity to cheat on a grand scale?

GMA WAS AN ‘INCUMBENT’ RUNNING AS CANDIDATE - that is the original sin as far as the 2004 is concerned. It was the root anomaly. It was an anomalous election even before it started. GMA’s candidacy is anomalous, a constitutional anomaly.

it was not the intent of the constitution that an incumbent runs as a candidate who would have the whole machinery and resources of the government at her disposal,

the temptation is just so great and so sweet for Gloria that she consummated the heinous crime with such cold-blooded efficiency that she almost got away with it had it not been for the ‘hello garci’ recordings.

The malignancy of GMA’s illegitimacy as ‘president’ is horrendously debilitating - portentously a historic national catastrophe.

Illegitimacy is a malignancy. It cannot but debilitate that which it afflicts; and corrupt that which is contaminated by it.

There can be no economic recovery, no political stability and no social harmony until and unless this contagious and malignant illegitimacy is extirpated from the presidency.

Conventional and alternative remedies, including surgical procedure, must be considered very carefully but treatment must be undertaken urgently to avert a catastrophic collapse. Good luck, Docs, Go!

From what I have read from the news regarding this matter, it is the comelec comissioners themselves who are keeping the poll automation from being truly implemented. Yes, they did buy some units for a computerized election, but both the Senate and the Supreme Court found irregularities in the manner of the project’s implementation. SC voided the contract and directed Ombudsman to investigate the matter and determine the criminal liability of those involved in the vioded contract. In fact lately, the SC is threatening the Ombudsman with contempt for not acting upon its directive. Funny thing is, I have read somewhere that we - as taxpayers - payed for these 1.3 billion worth of good-for-nothing overpriced equipment.

I say let’s have automated polls. But let us have first, competent and scrupulous commisioners (like the late great Haydee Yorac) who will implement project as important as this and ensure that all election related activities aboveboard. Cause’ even with automated polls, with current bunch of commisioners, expect the usual cheats to manipulate the results of the any election. The only difference will be the use of a lot more sophicated means of cheating. . . .

hindi nyo ba napansin na lahat ng taong nabanggit na tumulong sa pandaraya eh napromote na, sibilyan man o sundalo. siguro kung hindi nabuko si garci sa garci tape siya na ngayon ang chairman ng comelec.kawawang abalos,sibak ka sana.

It all actually boils to one reason- Philippine Politics. No one is clean. Everybody cheated in one form or the other. It so happened that the winners were the successful cheaters and the sore losers are well, sore losers. Even the survey frontrunners and sure winners cheat. Sigurista eh! Filipino honor and values have eroded, especially if you enter politics- the system will eat your idealism and integrity.

Pinapakita lang nito na hindi pa sumisikat ang SUDOKU sa buong mundo, nilalaro na ‘to ng mga pinoy. Lumalabas ang pagiging mathematicians ng mga mandaraya tuwing panahon ng eleksyon.
At inamin pa ni Commisioner Borra na nagkaroon ng dayaan nung eleksyon? Holy Cow!! bago pa ba yan? Eh wala pa nga sa campaign period kaliwa’t kanan na pang-iisa na ang ginagawa ng mga politiko para manalo habang ang mga komisyon-er sa Comelec nagbibilang ng mga butiki sa kisame ng kanilang mga opisina.
Commisioner..mapatupad nyo lang ang Section 10 at 11 ng RA 6646 Electoral Reforms Law, masaya na ako.

actually, the comelec wanted to use the counting machine but the SC banned them from doing so because the transaction was questioned.
from what i understand insted, it seems that the automation law must be amended to give comelec more latitude in chossing a system that is more adaptable to the countries situation.
comelec can do only as much as congress allows them too.
it seems that it is also true that they also seem to be incompitent too however.
maybe our real problem is that we are too legalistic in everything & have lost the sence of being pratical & having the “can do attitude”.
things seem to be done only calculating personal interest & not what is good for the entire nation.
we seem to be “fault finders” only.that is as far as we go.
then we have a media who just loves to enlarge ever mistake.since media is a business so they have to sell & look attractive.
many things don’t really have to do anything w/ the truth.it’s just a part of the truth that is made to appear as the entire story.

wait, wait ,wait..did i read it right? our real PROBLEM is that we are too being LEGALISTIC? eh hindi ba kaya nasa putik ang Pilipinas dahil madami sa atin ang gumagawa ng ilegal? We have too many laws, ang problema binabastos natin ang mga ito..and being practical is not always legal, hindi pwedeng pakawalan mo ang snatcher dahil lang sa gutom nya.
Maganda sana ang automated election pero hindi lang ito kwestyonable..ilegal pa! The end does not justify the means. Ayaw man natin sa batas, kung yan ang legal..dapat sundin. At ganun din,gustuhin man natin idemolish ang mga squatters sa mga bakuran natin, hindi pwede ayon sa stupid Lina Law.
Gustuhin man natin gamitin ang Garci Tapes, hindi pwede ayon sa Anti Wiretapping Law .

These numbers don’t lie. Somebody did a lot of cheating. Probability points to the winner of the election as the best cheat.

Dapat ikulong ang mga madaraya para di tularan ng iba…Now na!

Scud, seems that you got lost in the word “legalistic” & did not continue reading on to as I wrote also if we really wanna do everything for clean election, we still could have saved the situation by using the machines just the same insted of letting them gather dust in some warehouse.Because we have more to gian by having credible election then getting stuck in legalities that go on forever.In a way all those legal problems that have to be proven yet anyway served those who wanted to manipulate the election.Even in court cases there is also “amicable” settelments, where win win situations are possible.

I understand what you were saying.If we really wanna do everything for a clean election, simulan natin ng maayos. Being too legalistic does not give us problems, on the contrary the “Pwede na” attitude is. Mahilig tayong sumuway, paikutin at bigyan ng ibang meaning ang laws, rules and regulations just to suit our needs. Anong susunod na mangyayari kung gamitin na natin ang mga counting machines kahit na ilegal ang procurement nito? magkakaroon ng precedent..mauulit na naman ang shortcut, salubungin na ang “one way” para lang makarating ng mabilis sa paroroonan. Kung dinaan sana sa ayos siguro nagamit na natin yan 2004 pa. Kung lahat lang ng tao pinipilit sundin ang mga batas di na natin kailangan ng mga abugado para magdepensa.

to joselu

bakit ngayon lang? kasi po napaka-impossible po talaga ng pagkapanalo ni GMA.
bakit ngayon lang? kasi po dahil sa paglabas last year ng GARCI TAPE

bakit ngayon lang? kasi po nung huling Presidential election, si ERAP ay siguradong nanalo sa laki ng lamang nya kay JDV (kahit mandaya pa si JDV, si ERAP pa rin ang mananalo). Pero sa pagkapanalo ni Pandak kay Panday, obvious ang pandaraya, lalo pa pong nagkaroon ng basehan nung lumabas ang GARCI tapes. NUMBERS DON’T LIE

bakit ngayon lang? kasi po SOBRA-SOBRA NA TALAGA ang pagkabulok ng sistema ng COMELEC. Ang PINAKAUNANG Electoral Reform na dapat gawin ay SIBAKIN LAHAT ANG MGA COMMISSIONERS NG COMELEC at DAPAT DING PARUSAHAN sa mga pagkakamali nila in the past.

bakit ngayon lang? kasi po …KUNG DI NGAYON, KAILAN PA PO?

Kasi ni luto na ni macapagal ang congress. Kasi had they agreed to open the ER COC and iwan ko anong tawag nila yung nakalagas na tally sa manila paper nakasama sa loob ng ballot boxes doon makikita kung saan ang dayaan. kasi dapat er coc and the manila paper should have the same result. ito yung nangyari sa aming bayan kaya ng ni reocunt ito sa comelec dyan sa manila nakita ang dayaan kasi the result sa ER and Coc did not match kasi mas mataas ang result kay sa actual voters. example actual voters is 4,000 and total result sa two candidates umabot ng 5,000..ngayon sa cha cha pirma patay at mga bagong panganak marunong ng magchacha.

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